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Presumptuous or Fallacious? - Ronald Weinland and the Repentance of a Prophet
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June 25, 2008 by Citizen X

For many, July 16th was the final day of the window of time wherein Ronald Weinland would be tested. If his predictions/prophecies came to pass within that window, he would be a true prophet. If not, false.

A recent development has changed all that. Ronald Weinland recently wrote this post on his website, in which he declares he was presumptuous in his “45 to 90 days” statement - and that he no longer believes it is true.

…even though I have stated July 16 as a kind of deadline for the Second Trumpet, I am now deeply convinced that nothing concerning the trumpets will have occurred by that time…

In this June 19th post, Ronald Weinland states that the Second Trumpet could indeed occur within that time frame, but does not believe it will.

If the second trumpet sounds, with nuclear explosions in port cities, then everything will indeed be fully in line with what I’ve stated in the last interviews and in some sermons. But I do want to state again, I no longer believe that to be the case.

Why does he no longer believe that to be the case?

The bottom line is, I must follow what I believe God is showing me. If I have jumped the gun in a couple of interviews and interjected my own understanding into the timing of events, and have thereby been presumptuous, then I will repent and move forward.

So roughly 27 days before the Weinland Window was to close, Ronald Weinland pre-emptively states that there is a possibility he “jumped the gun”, “interjected his own understanding”, and was possibly “presumptous”.

Now this will provide much fodder for the Weinland-haters, who can gleefully point to this and say “Aha! He is a false prophet!” And to those who didn’t believe him from the start, this will indeed be a salve to their wounded egos.

However, to those undecideds and true believers, this will require a true testing of their faith. I have always wished to remain unbiased and impartial to this matter until there were more facts with which to make a complete decision. I must admit this was an unexpected development. By July 16th, I had wished to have this matter resolved. I had wished to know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not Ronald Weinland was indeed a true prophet.

Now, is Ron Weinland mortal and have human failings like all of us? Indeed. Is it possible that he interjected his own understanding into God’s message? Sure. No figure in biblical history was perfect; David wanted a woman and arranged her husband’s death; Moses killed an Egyptian; Adam disobeyed God; Peter denied Jesus.

Romans says that all have sinned. Even Ron Weinland. He is not perfect. Nobody should expect him to be. But he should also be acutely aware of the responsibility placed on his shoulders if he is indeed a prophet of God. People will take his words very seriously. If he declares himself a prophet of God and then passes off his own words as God’s message, that is very serious indeed. If what he says is true, how will the people be able to separate Ron Weinland’s understanding from God’s?

We stand at a point where all we have are words. World conditions are deteriorating, yes. Things are getting worse. But all that currently exists are Ronald Weinland’s words. As of this point in time, there is no unequivocal, clear proof of the fulfillment of his words. Could that be part of God’s plan? Certainly. Could it be God’s way of testing the faith of the people? It’s certainly possible. But we simply do not know yet.

As of this writing, another post has appeared on RonaldWeinland.com that promises an important topic for Saturday’s sermon:

It was mentioned in the sermon this past Sabbath that a sermon would be given on Sept. 30th (Feast of Trumpets) that would explain the 50th truth given to God’s Church in these end times. Since some have been pouring out their hearts to God concerning this matter, God is now mercifully granting that this sermon be given this coming Sabbath.

This sermon will explain why the final three and one-half years of tribulation has not yet begun. It will explain why the final sealing of the 144,000 has not yet occurred.

It is still too soon to determine whether Ron Weinland is a false prophet or not. We have no clear confirmation of his predictions nor unequivocal proof of his falsehood.

The people will continue to wait and see.

All I can say now is that I am in deep despair right now as to what to beleive again. I was taken from god and have been brought back due to personal circumstance but i was also awakended to previous energy of the mayan's and the egyptian's and when i found RW I was drawn back into the church and yet i find myself yet again being drawn back again into the pre historial evelotion.
whatever the outcome, something profound will happen between now and 2012 and it wont be a bed of roses.

WOW. Where do I begin? Let me just start by saying I could care less about being ridiculed or mocked when it comes to this subject. I don’t even have a bank account and have been made fun of concerning my beliefs, so this is not my feeling. Ron weinland read my bfs email in his sermon following god. He stated I should get as far away from him as fast as I could. He also stated “ if you are in a relationship where you cant stand your ground, weather mate or family, it is not healthy. Well, I always stand my ground and have stood up for Ron alittle to fevernt. Yes I am aware I am standing for gods word not Ron, but is he a con???? I have been studying gods word for many years now. What is god like? Why am I here? Asking questions we all do. I must say I have learned a lot from Ron but we really need to question if he is gods end time witness. God wants us to become as children, to believe with a childs heart. I have this kind of faith. I believe in Noah with this kind of faith. I have listened to many so called prophets but never believed them like I do Ron. The house of Yahweh (Israel Hawkins) has stated for years nukes would go off but it never phased me. I only believed his prophecy concerning the pollution of our meats which did come true. So why do I believe ( or believed) Ron? What spirit is guiding me???

I have been listening to Alex Jones for 10 years now. Everything he says comes to pass, is he a prophet? Anyone can see what is happening in this world, the info and proof is out there. Time is running out...DUH. I have taken myself out of this world a long time ago. I know storing treasure up here is a waist. I have been tried and tested and reevaluated my priorities year after year. If im not mistaken Ron said god would not be trying to save us in this time? So why try and test our faith? I believe when it comes to biblical prophecies god speaks through his prophets, they are literal words that come true. From my perspective of the bible and gods word I see accuracy. there’s no mistake. Referring to the first coming of Christ, him being betrayed by Judas for how many pieces if silver?, prophecies related to what he was to do, how he was to die they where all accurate! If anyone predicts by the infinite spirit of god, it is accurate. Come on, do you really believe this is a test?? When there is a prediction it is not a thought or a concept. Maybe Ron got his from tv series JERICHO LOL (had to make a joke), but it is not funny. Seducing spirits are not funny! Would god guess or make mistakes through our end time witness to cause confusion? Prophecy reveals gods attributes. What god is showing me through Ron is totally opposite of what hes shown through other prophets. Is he revealing actuality or possibilities and congincecies? Prophets speak actualities. I am continually speaking gods presence and have a lot to learn. Im sorry if I sound judgmental but I would love to know if anyone knows how much Ron charges for a baptism. I also have to go recheck revelation to see if witnesses is written witness or plural. His wife seems silent.

can any of your high scholars explain to me about zionism?

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High scholars??? I don't know much from a historical point of view but what I understand about Zionism is it was a movement, like so many others idealisms and movements looks like something but in reality it has a secret sinister reason. That rabbit hole goes deep but Iwill try and keep it simple.

Zionism was started before the second world war. It was at least funded by the Rothschild's/Rockefeller's/illuminate/international bankers. When most Jews refused to go to Israel they funded Hitler to literately forced out of fear the remanding ones to relocate. Interestingly, "the start of David" that most Jewish people think as their identification was forced on them during the holocaust by Hitler. This order came down from the Rothschilds and was their family shield. Pagans will tell you that it is the most powerful symbol used in which craft. By the way the Rothschilds were not always Jewish but were German pagans who were in to Kabala. Goes back to the Assyrians doesn't it, according to the British/American prophecies. Anyway, these people, if you ask me have a direct link to Satan. So we can call them the Synagogue of Satan. Putting the so called star of David (that's a lie) on every Jewish person was a type of spell. And now they all gladly accept it as their national identification. I guess they forgot the ten commandments. I'm not blaming them, though for the whole world is deceived by Satan. If you study about a man named Albert Pike who was a head of a whole bunch of secret societies including the masons (grand duke) and the kkk (i think) he stated in one of his books that at the top of all of these secret societies they worship Lucifer, the Barron of Light. He also says that he had direct contact with a specific alien (demon, just like with Alister Crowley)that enlightened and gave orders to him, about 3 world wars that were plained and would take place. He describes to a tee what the first two would accomplish as well as the next one fast approaching. He says that the main or one of the main reasons for the second world war was to establish Israel as a nation, setting the stage for what is to happen next. It's crazy, you should look it up. Usually, they will fund someone to create some ideology than get people to support it by lies, propaganda, etc. A current example is global warming. Scientist know that what is happening is not caused by what certain groups are saying. The point is to convince everyone that we need a global tax to solve the problem. They make all these non-prophets and get famous people to support it and make it seem that it is a movement of the people by the people but in reality it is by these secret organizations. All that we are told is lies, lies, lies.

This might not be what you were looking for but maybe it will help.

Hi Fellow followers of Ronald. I believe he is Gods endtime servant and has never made a mistake. He did not mean to mis speak in his timeframe. He can hear God and we cannot. We should follow him to the end and be saved by his words he gets from God. Many other prophets were wrong too and God tests all of us so why not Ronald? I believe anything he says,even when he is wrong.This is a mark of my devotion. This is a test and all who fall off,failed the test and will go to hell. I dont want to go to hell. I am following Gods true endtime prophet.

Father,
Hey there, not to be judgemental, but your user name has "questionable" undertones and your style of writing appears "suspect" could you respond and explain your position a little further. It might just be me, but your post appears systematically generated with buzz words.

Correct me if I am wrong, if you do indeed listen to RW, Hell is not a place for people who do not follow Ron, rather, a bottomless pit for the great whore, the Beast, and Satan.

In addition, listening/following Ron driven by fear of Hell, according to him, would be for the wrong reasons. Speaking of myself, I would like to think I am in God's good grace when his Son does return, but if I am not, I am okay with that, (part of me used to feel like such a wretch, now I understand Jesus has hope in us) I try not to let fear of the unknown drive my intentions and hold fast to the belief that God is the eternal one and Jesus is my saviour whom redeemed me, in the eyes of the Lord, through his blood.

I had an experience a few years back with an evil spirit. I could explain further if anyone would like to hear the story. Anyways, It was the first and only time I have ever called upon (audible.........spoke out loud) Jesus Christ for help, he came and saved me. For that, I am so thankful.

Right or wrong, we can all continue to be mindful and observe the unfolding of 08'. That's what I love about the Weinland Witness web-site and this forum, never any ill-will towards anyone, just open dialogue and the sharing of thoughts.

LA

Father
I was excited as I began to read your post....until you mentioned HELL?????
I am newly converted into the truth and I am aware of the mith about hell!!
So if you are such an avid follower of Mr Weinland, why is it you do not??????
Something is strange here......